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From: "Carlos" <CXColorado@...>
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Dear Mr. Watson,
I am sure you are right and I am wrong many things, including possibly abou=
t glistening pearls and the bellies of swine, etc. But I am pretty sure th=
at I am right, and don't apologize for, my belief that something better awa=
its everyone in Heaven. Yet, as Archbishop Romero often preached, that is =
a stimulus, and not a disincentive, for wanting to make a better world righ=
t here.
I do not mean to "bend over backwards to avoid condemnation of the most con=
demnable actions." I condemn the coup d'etat, and I make no bones about it=
: I recognize that it is nothing more than a naked and deplorable power gra=
b by the elites of Honduras. But, in all due respect, you seem to miss one=
point. There was not a comprehensive wealth distribution scheme on the ta=
ble by Zelaya. Therefore, this cannot set a precedent for stymying real ch=
ange in Latin America. To paint this in simply in terms of class analysis =
will lead to conclusions that are simply not supported and not relevant.
The poor of Honduras, the second poorest country in Central America, do not=
need another belowing contest among the country's strongmen: they need ste=
ady structural progress, away from corruption and polarization, towards sta=
bility and solidarity and I am simply asking: how is the posturing and vyin=
g from both sides getting us closer to that?
Respectfully,
Carlos
--- En sanromero@..., David Watson <dwatson@...> escribi=F3:
>
> Ah, what a wonderful world you live in Carlos, where everyone has good in=
tentions and it?s just a case of interpreting their words in a benevolent w=
ay to find glistening pearls in the bellies of the most reprehensible swine=
. You bend over backwards to avoid condemnation of the most condemnable act=
ions, it is an extraordianry feat of moral gymnastics.
>=20
> What alas you fail to do is analize these situations from a class perspec=
tive. This is not a case of the goodies and the badies, or everyone desserv=
ing a portion of the blame, it is not a school playground, it?s the real wo=
rld where the interests of the economic elite must not be threatened by dai=
ntities like democratic process. You threaten the status quo, you challenge=
the economic and political interests of the elite, then sod democracy! You=
?re out!!
> Iran and Guatemala in 1953, Dominican Republic in 1965, Chile in 1973, Ve=
nezuela in 2002 and Honduras today.
>=20
> So Cardinal Maradiaga and yourself will have a compromise, where the stat=
us quo ante is established, peace returns to Honduras and a powerfull messa=
ge is sent out the the people; Here is the line that must not be crossed! D=
emocracy will only be tolerated when it is servile to our interests. You wi=
ll in other words establish a pesedence for all future attemts to implement=
change for the benefit of the poor.
>=20
> So if Mauricio Funes dares to take steps to really redistribute the wealt=
h in El Salvador, ARENA, together with the right wing majority in the Legis=
lative assembly and their handpicked Supreme court judges can find some obs=
cure paragraphs in the constitution, scream foul, and return to business as=
usual.=20
>=20
> Archbishop Jos=E9 Lu=EDs Escobar Alas and probably yourself can call for =
moderation and the status quo ante will return peacefully, the elite can ma=
intain their overindulgent lifestyles and the poor can wallow in their subh=
uman, merciless poverty.
>=20
> No doubt you?d say there is someting better waiting for them in Heaven!!!=
!
> Dave
> http://dave-motherofallbloggs.blogspot.com/
>=20
>=20
>=20
> > From: Carlos [CXColorado@...]
> > Sent: 2009-07-05 00:27:57 CEST
> > To: sanromero@...
> > Subject: Re: SV: [sanromero] Cardenal pide evitar "acci=F3n precipitada=
," regreso de Zelaya
> >=20
> > I saw an interview on Salvadoran TV with Beatrice Carrillo, the former =
human rights onbudsman, and what she said made a lot of sense to me. It wa=
s along the lines of a parallel critique of both the golpistas and the Zela=
ya followers, and an admonition that they are both driving a hard line towa=
rd an irreconcilable confrontation. What the Cardinal says is along the sa=
me lines: Zelaya's return is unlikely to lead to a unanymous reinstatement =
of the status quo ante (and even that would only have Honduras mired in an =
intractable confrontation), while the proximity of elections does give Hond=
uras a chance to hit the reset button on this crisis, in which both sides t=
ook part in blameworthy conduct. I thought that the Cardinal's criticism t=
hat the international community was a latecomer to the crisis rang hollow i=
n light of the fact that this is the Church's first statement, and a pretty=
tepid one also. What we have is a constitutional crisis, an old fashioned=
crisis, with two pretenders to the throne, both claiming the color of law,=
and the question is, how are we going to resolve it. IMHO, that's what I =
think we should be driving for -- peacefully, responsibly -- and not trying=
to add fuel to the fire.
> >=20
> >=20
> > --- En sanromero@..., David Watson <dwatson@> escribi=F3:
> > >
> > > I saw a youth in a news bulletin with a picture of Archbishop Oscar R=
omero on his T-shirt being beaten with battons by Honduran police. His crim=
e; wanting the return of his lawfully elected president, Mel Zelaya. Carden=
al =D3scar Rodr=EDguez Maradiaga, does not want the return of democracy in =
Honduras, and clouds his decietful intentions with honorable concern for th=
e possible loss of life if Zelaya returns.=20
> > >=20
> > > He demands of the international community that they allow Hondurans t=
o decide their own destiny! Wasn?t that exactly what the youth with the Rom=
ero T-shirt was doing when he was so mercilessly beaten? Shame on you Marad=
iaga, shame on the Catholic hierarchy.
> > >=20
> > > Long live the Honduran peoples struggle for justice and democracy!
> > >=20
> > > Dave Watson
> > > http://dave-motherofallbloggs.blogspot.com/
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > > From: orientaci0n [orientaci0n@]
> > > > Sent: 2009-07-04 22:01:57 CEST
> > > > To: sanromero@...
> > > > Subject: [sanromero] Cardenal pide evitar "acci=F3n precipitada," r=
egreso de Zelaya
> > > >=20
> > > > CARDENAL MARADIAGA PIDE A MANUEL ZELAYA NO REGRESAR A HONDURAS: El =
prelado se une a varios sectores hondure=F1os que exigen a la comunidad int=
ernacional respetar la autodeterminaci=F3n de los hondure=F1os. En Washingt=
on, Estados Unidos, la OEA determina el futuro de Honduras en el seno de su=
organizaci=F3n.
> > > > http://www.elfaro.net/secciones/Noticias/20090629/noticias20_200906=
29.asp
> > > >=20
> > > > Carlos Dada
> > > > Desde Tegucigalpa, Honduras
> > > >=20
> > > > El cardenal hondure=F1o =D3scar Rodr=EDguez Maradiaga advirti=F3 es=
te s=E1bado por la ma=F1ana que si el depuesto presidente Manuel Zelaya reg=
resa a Honduras podr=EDa desatar un ba=F1o de sangre, y lo llam=F3 a perman=
ecer en el extranjero.=20=20
> > > >=20
> > > > "Pensemos si una acci=F3n precipitada, un regreso al pa=EDs en este=
momento, podr=EDa desatar un ba=F1o de sangre. S=E9 que usted ama la vida,=
que usted respeta la vida. Hasta el d=EDa de hoy no ha muerto ni un solo h=
ondure=F1o. Por favor medite porque despu=E9s ser=EDa demasiado tarde", dij=
o el cardenal, apelando al presidente Zelaya, en un comunicado emitido por =
cadena nacional.=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Zelaya, quien fue raptado por un grupo de militares el 28 de junio =
y trasladado en un avi=F3n a Costa Rica, anunci=F3 que volver=E1 a Honduras=
ma=F1ana domingo, acompa=F1ado de sus hom=F3logos de Ecuador y Argentina, =
para recuperar el poder, aunque las condiciones no le son favorables.
> > > >=20
> > > > Ayer el Secretario General de la OEA, Jos=E9 Miguel Insulza, adelan=
t=F3 que se reunir=EDa con el depuesto presidente para que =E9l tome la dec=
isi=F3n de volver, pero evit=F3 referirse a la posibilidad de que =E9l mism=
o lo acompa=F1e.=20
> > > >=20
> > > > En esta ciudad, hoy algunos medios de comunicaci=F3n hac=EDan eco d=
e los rumores del inminente retorno de Zelaya, y del incremento de militare=
s y polic=EDas en todos los aeropuertos del pa=EDs. Pero no hay ning=FAn in=
dicio de que esto haya sucedido.=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Tras la visita de Insulza, y el anuncio de Honduras de su retiro de=
la Organizaci=F3n, el cardenal Maradiaga hizo un vehemente reclamo a la co=
munidad internacional, y particularmente a la OEA, a "que preste atenci=F3n=
a todo lo que ven=EDa ocurriendo, fuera de la legalidad en Honduras, y no =
solamente lo sucedido a partir del 28 de junio pasado. Tambi=E9n el pueblo =
hondure=F1o se pregunta: =BFPor qu=E9 no han condenado las amenazas b=E9lic=
as contra nuestro pa=EDs? Si el Sistema Interamericano se limita a proteger=
la democracia en nuestras urnas pero no le da seguimiento a un buen gobier=
no, a prevenci=F3n de las crisis pol=EDticas, econ=F3micas y sociales, de n=
ada servir=E1 reaccionar tard=EDamente frente a ellas". Maradiaga aprovech=
=F3 para reiterar a la comunidad internacional el derecho de los hondure=F1=
os a decidir su propio destino.=20=20
> > > >=20
> > > > Sus declaraciones representan un nuevo desaf=EDo para la OEA, que e=
sta tarde celebra su Asamblea General y recibe el informe del Secretario In=
sulza, que ya adelant=F3 que a partir de hoy Honduras ser=E1 suspendida de =
esa organizaci=F3n.
> > > >
> > >
> >=20
> >
>
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